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Jul. 1st, 2009

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Remember to fill up your car when you're low on gas. Especially when you're robbing a conveniently located gas station.

Shades of the Wild West, except that even Wyatt Earp didn't let people carry guns in bars.

Mississippi's still fattest but Alabama is closing in:
Mississippi's still king of cellulite, but an ominous tide is rolling toward the Medicare doctors in neighboring Alabama: obese baby boomers.

On the outskirts of Lusaka, Zambia, next year's crop of bicycles is being watered by Benjamin Banda. From bush to bike: a bamboo revolution

Ancient DNA used to map extinct bird's colors

NPR plays obscene word games. The issue is whether or not waterboarding is torture; their answer is that, despite the fact that people have been convicted of war crimes for doing it, because the people who ordered it said it wasn't torture, that raises a reasonable doubt.

[...]I believe that it is not the role of journalists to take sides or to characterize things.
[...]
But no matter how many distinguished groups -- the International Red Cross, the U.N. High Commissioners -- say waterboarding is torture, there are responsible people who say it is not. Former President Bush, former Vice President Cheney, their staff and their supporters obviously believed that waterboarding terrorism suspects was necessary to protect the nation's security.

One can disagree strongly with those beliefs and their actions. But they are due some respect for their views, which are shared by a portion of the American public. So, it is not an open-and-shut case that everyone believes waterboarding to be torture. Many in NPR's audience obviously believe it is, but others do not.


Christ on a motorcycle. I don't know how to respond to that bit of bullshit.

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[info]austingoddess wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 06:31 pm (UTC)
How about sarcasm?
I believe the sun is made up of orange ping pong balls! And I'm a legally recognized religious leader. Respect my view!

Edited at 2009-07-01 06:32 pm (UTC)
[info]kdavoli wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
[info]interactiveleaf wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 07:21 pm (UTC)
Why is this hard for some people?

[info]siderea wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 11:07 pm (UTC)
Because people suck?
[info]interactiveleaf wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 01:36 pm (UTC)
While there's a possibility that you're over simplifying, there's a probability that you're absolutely right.
[info]bramblekite wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 06:52 pm (UTC)
hm
it's an interesting philosophical debate, if you can shut out the human suffering for a moment:

a) Is something wrong, if you don't know that what you're doing is wrong?

b) Is something wrong, if you don't think that what you're doing is wrong?

c) Do you owe anyone apologies, reparations, or jail time, if a or b is true?

d) Are there any moral absolutes?

[info]buscemi wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
Oof. Now there's yet another reason why I don't listen to NPR.
[info]jakflak wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 10:24 pm (UTC)
I think people should be allowed to carry guns in bars but not carry while drinking. That's actually the standard imposed on me right now.
[info]interactiveleaf wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 01:35 pm (UTC)
That makes sense to me; it's just that I don't trust the general public.

Whaddya gonna do? Letting them carry guns in bars, drinking or not, beats taking away the guns.

[/false dichotomy]
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2009 11:43 pm (UTC)
The most elegant short argument I've seen is that SERE program was an effort to teach American soldiers to be able to handle being tortured. That's why waterboarding was part of the program. Because it's torture.

However, I don't know if this argument works.

In other news, obesity in the ordinary range may not have anything to do with health. Canadian study. American study.
[info]red_tanya wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 01:27 am (UTC)
re: the last item

I also have no words, just incoherent mumblings and vaguely threatening gestures. :\
[info]interactiveleaf wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 01:40 pm (UTC)
The argument boils down to: Because people in power, who have a vested interest in redefining this behavior as "not torture", say it's not torture, weeellll, maybe they're right.

I'm actually really torn about renewing to KUT; on the one hand, KUT is a great local station that I listen to near-daily and that covers a lot fo local ground. On the other hand, NPR is rilly rilly pissing me off.
[info]red_tanya wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 05:05 pm (UTC)
you might want to ask KUT if you can make a donation that goes only to the local part of the station.... I don't know whether they can, but it would alert them to the problem.
[info]interactiveleaf wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 05:34 pm (UTC)
That doesn't work for me. Every dollar I send them to, say, pay Larry Monroe's salary frees up someone else's dollar to pay for national programs.

I like 99% of the national programming, too. This just seems like a deal breaker to me. I'm going to have to think on it.

Suckitude, yes?
[info]red_tanya wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)
suckitude indeed!
[info]jabber wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2009 07:22 pm (UTC)
So, torture is kind of like porn? You can't really define it, but you know it when you see it? Or rather, you're not sure you know it when you see it, but you're pretty sure you know it when it's done to you?

I'd like to see the people responsible for approving waterboarding to experience it for about 10 minutes, and then I'll consider respecting their views.
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