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This began as a comment on someone else's journal

And it was a comment there, and I've incorporated some of the responses I received there into this:

Pat Robertson doesn't seem unChristian to me.

Yes, he said a thing that I find fairly repulsive yesterday. But I've noticed that almost no one pointed out, or noticed, that he said it in the context of a special fundraiser on CBN to raise money for a humanitarian relief effort to Haiti. In other words, he may believe that the country is cursed (which I find to be insane, but I find the belief in god to be not entirely rational either) but his actions say that he doesn't consider that to be any excuse for not doing his duty as a Christian and helping the people who have been hurt by this disaster.

Matthew 13:41-43
41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


I don't find either his beliefs or his actions to be particularly unChristian. Someone did say that the "vengeful God" of the OT is generally not-Christian because it doesn't appear in the New Testament, but frankly I disagree with that. This Jesus dude, and the new testament in general, is not all sweetness and light and "love thy brother" though those things definitely appear in more abundance than in the Old Testament. But still, according to the Gospels, Jesus spoke more about hell than about any other subject. The subject of hell is raised so rarely (if at all) in the Old Testament that it doesn't form any part of Judaic beliefs.

Matthew 25:41-46
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


So the New Testament doesn't specifically touch on generational curses. So what? There's a lot of material in the Old Testament, and the NT doesn't touch on most of it. And, yes, people pick and choose what they believe. The Ten Commandments aren't explicitly laid out in the New Testament either (they're mentioned in scattered form, but mostly not by Jesus) but no one particularly seems to think that those don't form part of the Christian belief system.

Mark 9:43-48
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 47And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: 48Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


I don't see what Pat Robertson said as out of line with Christianity at all, and the people who are saying it is baffle me. The general argument seems to be "but that's mean! Jesus was all about love! The god of the New Testament wouldn't do that to people! Forgiveness, yanno?"

And so I'm wondering if the people who think Mr. Robertson is unChristian are even aware of this. Is it cognitive dissonance? "Sure, right, eternal lake of fire hot enough to melt sulphur, that's fair, Jesus can do that and still be nice, but an earthquake--that's cruel and unusual"? Is it that they've never really read the New Testament, or that they've cherry picked (either on first reading or from memory) the bits they want to remember? What the hell is going on here? Why do you think the man who cursed a fig tree to wither and die because it didn't have fruit when he wanted it has against a little death and destruction?

Mark 11:12-14,20,21
12And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. 14And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.


20And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. 21And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away


Why wouldn't this God send an earthquake?
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